May 20, 2026 DMLP, LYB, O, PFFA
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Summary
- Will Barton from High Dividend Opportunities talks long-term income investing.
- See value in commodities, especially Dorchester Minerals (DMLP), and favoring municipal bonds and preferreds.
- REITs like Realty Income (O) are trading at attractive valuations, offering dividend growth potential despite lower yields compared to historical norms.
- Reinvesting at least 25% of portfolio income to maintain resilience against dividend cuts and market downturns, ensuring sustainable withdrawals.
Transcript
Rena Sherbill: Will Barton from High Dividend Opportunities. Great to have you back on Investing Experts. Thanks for coming back on.
Will Barton: Thanks for having me, Rena.
Rena Sherbill: It’s great to have you. So first things first, you have some sale news happening at High Dividend Opportunities. I think that’s a great place to start because a lot of people are looking at the market, wondering how to play it.
You’re going to be talking about, obviously, some high dividend opportunities and how you’re thinking about things. But let investors know, let listeners know what you have going on at your service, please.
Will Barton: Yes, right now we have a Memorial Day sale. It is 28 % off of an annual membership. So that’s five hundred thirty six dollars for the year and we’re going to be running that sale through May 26 and it’s an opportunity for people to get the first year at a discount and really give our service a full year to try it out and check out our ideas.
We find that most people who join for a year, tend to stick around for a long time. We’re a very long-term focused service, focusing on investments over three to five-year investment horizons, rather than a daily trading service.
So to get the most out of our service, find that giving people an opportunity to try us out at a reduced price for a full year gives them that opportunity to really check out all of the tools and everything that we have to offer.
Rena Sherbill: I think that notion of long-term investing is, or relatively, let’s say, relatively long-term investing, I think is a good place to start because, you know, there’s volatility in the market, a lot of questions about price and value and how to properly value companies.
How are you thinking about the long-term nature? And what do you, when you look at the, do you even look at the VIX? Are you paying attention to market volatility? Maybe let’s start there in terms of how you think about the long-term nature of investing.
Will Barton: Well, our strategy is an income focused strategy, right? So our goal is to have an eight to 10 % average yield on our portfolio at any given time and to have that solid, steady income stream coming in so that you have enough money to withdraw some if you need some, if you’re in that retirement age and you’re actually taking money out of your portfolio to live off of and you have enough leftover to reinvest.
We recommend that even if you’re retired, you plan on reinvesting at least 25% of the income that’s coming into your portfolio so that you always have money available to be buying stocks.
And in that respect, we really are permabulls. We are always buying something.
As things change, we change what we’re buying. We buy things that we believe are relatively good values right now based on current conditions. But we’re always buying stocks, right?
We’re never going to say, hey, sell your whole portfolio and let’s just hunker down into a turtle and hope that the market doesn’t keep going up.
Because I think the market today is kind of an example of how if you go back to like early March when the whole Iranian war started, if you would have told people that the Strait of Hormuz is still going to be closed in May anybody would have told you, well, you should sell all of your stocks.
And yet we’re sitting here today with the market pushing all time highs. The market doesn’t always do what you’re expecting, even if you happen to have a crystal ball and know what the future is.
I can’t tell you what the news is going to be tomorrow. And so we really focus on what’s the opportunity that we can buy today. What is the market giving us?
What holdings do we have that are getting too expensive and the market’s giving us a good price to exit and deploy somewhere else? Because even in a expensive market like today, there are still a lot of great opportunities out there to take advantage of.
Rena Sherbill: So what opportunities would you highlight right now?
Will Barton: Right now, the area that I really like right now is commodities. And in particular, we have some oil royalty companies, for example, Dorchester Minerals, (DMLP) is a royalty company. They make money from American oil that’s being pumped and sold.
Even if everything works out great and the Strait of Hormuz opens up tomorrow, the price of oil has fundamentally changed for certainly the next year or two.
And so they’re a direct beneficiary of that. They don’t have a lot of hedges. So as oil prices go up, that’s going right to their bottom line. And so we expect to see a lot more dividends coming out of them.
They pay a variable dividend. So it’s completely dependent upon quarter to quarter, how much the oil price is. And we expect to see a lot more flowing out of them.
So that’s probably one of the most immediate examples of, hey, the market is giving us an opportunity here to buy income. It’s still at a very reasonably price, reasonable price, and we can expect it’s going to be higher for the next year or two.
Rena Sherbill: And what makes you get out of that?
Will Barton: Well, the last time we actually ended up exiting when oil prices were still high because the price just got high especially with these variable dividend companies what you often see is when they declare the higher dividends people start buying it like crazy they look at well the yields high now.
So now I’m gonna buy well, okay, but it’s variable. So when oil comes back down in price the dividends will come back down and so we exited that when it was trading in the mid thirties and we just decided that, okay, well our forward outlook is that the distributions are going to be smaller and it no longer fits our investment profile.
We started buying it back last December when oil was low and we’ve had kind of a little fortunate bounce in oil prices, but the price was lower and even at the lower prices, we determined that, okay, the distribution still makes sense, still achieving our goals, still helping us hit our targets.
And now even right now, I think today’s trading around 28-ish, it’s still a very good price to be buying to take advantage of what you can expect the distributions to be over the next year or two.
Rena Sherbill: How much does the interest rate conversation affect how you’re looking at things? And does that correlate at all to dividend cuts? Do you see that being a correlation at all? There were, you know, we have a new Fed chair. There’s a lot of talk of expectations being changed, that rate hikes are coming. How much does that play into your thinking?
Will Barton: We generally don’t try to predict what interest rates are going to do in terms of choosing our investments. It’s one of those things that, it has a direct and immediate impact, but predicting them is hard. We have our market outlook every week where we try to predict what’s going to happen.
And just like everybody else, we can be as wrong about rates as anybody else can, right? So what we do again, is we kind of go back to that taking the opportunities that the market gives us.
The 30 year is up a lot today, we’re buying municipal bonds. We have a couple of municipal bond funds in our portfolio.
Is the current height going to be as high as it goes? Who knows, right? It could keep going to 6 % for all I know. But what I do know is that when you’re getting 5.1 % on municipal bonds, compared to the last 20 years, that’s a really good interest rate to be receiving.
If it keeps going up, the price will keep coming down. But again, we’re investing for the dividend.
So when we get the dividends, we’re reinvesting 25 % of it. If the price is lower in the future, we’re happy to just average down and get higher yields. In the grand scheme, when you’re at 20 year highs on interest rates, in the big picture, they’re going to be lower at some point in the future.
We’re still going to be investing at some point in the future. So I’m very eager to be taking advantage of higher rates because they manifest themselves as lower prices for income investors.
I see a lot of dividend stocks are lower in price because interest rates are high, because traders are using that calculation of, well, I can get X percent from the U.S. Treasuries and I’m only getting X percent from this dividend stock.
So I’m going to sell dividend stock and go invest in treasuries today. And for those of us who are just buying the dividend stocks with the plan of holding them for the next three, five, 10 years, we’re buying at a lower price than we’ve been able to buy in the last three to five years.
And that’s in an environment where the stock market itself is trading at multi-decade high valuations.
For income investors, high rates are great, right? We’re getting paid interest rates. That’s what generates our income at the end of the day. It’s coming from interest rates, higher interest rates means we’re getting higher income for every dollar that we’re able to invest today.
And we should be taking advantage of that because maybe it goes on for the next year or two. Maybe it could continue for the next five years. I doubt it, but possible. But at some point in the future, I guarantee we’re going to be looking back at 2025, 2026 and say, boy, I wish I would have bought more dividend stocks back then because they were so cheap.
Rena Sherbill: What is something in your portfolio that you would say you’re at the tail end of the three to five years thought process in terms of holding it? What might be something that investors might be surprised to know that you still hold? Or maybe something that is a good example of holding onto something despite what market sentiment might be telling you?
Will Barton: I would say the example right now that is probably going to be reaching that tail in the next couple of years is our agency mortgage rates. We bought those as the prices were collapsing, they were becoming very unpopular because they are very interest rate sensitive.
And what we saw in prior cycles is when interest rates get cut down and you have that huge spike where the 30 year mortgage and the, and the overnight Fed rate has a huge gap.
You’ll see a big, huge spike up in the prices of these. you know, we, we’ve seen a couple of the last year and half since about early 2025, they’ve really been spiking up. they’re starting to trade at a premium to book value now, and they’re starting to gain more favor among traders. we believe that we have a lot more upside to go.
But probably within the next year or two, especially if we have a situation where the U S economy breaks and the fed starts cutting rates like crazy, they’ll have a blowout.
And at that point, we’re going to have to make the decision whether we want to hold through the cycle or whether we want to sell an exit. know, most recently, an example that we actually ended up exiting it a lot earlier than we intended to was LyondellBasell (LYB) because of the situation that I ran, their price just ran away from us.
We predicted fair value was between $80 and $90 and it got there. okay. Love you, goodbye, mostly goodbye. And we redeployed that money where it can make us more dividends later.
Rena Sherbill: How did you arrive at the 25 % figure in terms of reinvestments?
Will Barton: We did that through a combination of our experience and we did some pretty extensive back testing using a tool called Portfolio Visualizer that lets you test with a portfolio what it looks like as you’re withdrawing money.
Our goal was to ensure that the amount you’re taking out is low enough or high enough that it can absorb any dividend fluctuations, know, natural dividend cuts that you’re going to get through a crisis situation.
So we back tested it against both the great financial crisis and through COVID with actual holdings that we actually held to make sure that you had a solid cushion of reinvestment there so that the dividend cuts never actually impacted your ability to withdraw money.
And then also ensure that you’re reinvesting some at all times so that you can build up that cushion. And so we did that through a combination of both comparing notes from all of us at Seek High Dividend Opportunities. We compared our holdings and what we experienced with our own personal drawdowns and then did some back testing using the portfolio visualizer tool to make sure that there was a big enough cushion of safety there. you know, obviously nothing is a hundred percent certain.
You can’t predict the future, but for the great financial crisis and for COVID, which was two of the largest dividend cut runs in the history of the stock market, it was sufficient for those.
And really from our perspective, it gives you that even if you went over that 25 % right cuts went deeper. You found yourself starting to run low. It wasn’t enough. It gives you that warning signal that you can say, hey, I need to change something in my portfolio.
I need to change something about what I’m withdrawing and you can do that very early on and all financial problems. If you know there’s a problem and you address it sooner, it’s a lot easier to fix than if you wait until you’re in mid-disaster and the sooner you solve financial problems, the easier they are to solve, the less you have to sacrifice.
And you don’t want to be finding out when you’re 90, 95 years old, hey, my portfolio is not going to last the rest of my life.
I mean, right at this moment, most people are feeling invincible, right? Stock market’s at all time highs. They’re looking at these big balances and it’s for people who have went through the dot-com bust, who went through the great financial crisis.
I think a lot of investors today who are in their 60s, 70s, they lived through them, but they weren’t necessarily investing a lot through them because they were still in their working years. And in your working years, it’s very easy to close your eyes and ignore the losses and just keep contributing more money because you have income coming in.
And it becomes a lot more challenging when you don’t have a job that you can just go, okay, well, I can just throw a few more thousand dollars in every paycheck and be fine.
You don’t have that option and you don’t have the distraction of, I have to go to work and I’m not paying attention to what’s happening in my portfolio. I’ll see what next quarter, right? And when you get to be in your sixties and seventies and you actually start living off of the money and you’re watching that portfolio value every single day.
I think a lot of people look at it and they’re looking today and they’re going, wow. Where everything’s great. I have lots of money. I’ve made so much money in the past five years. you know, stock market pretty much rebounded from COVID very quickly. It wasn’t an extended drawdown.
So I think people will have a false sense of confidence that well, whatever, if it goes down for a few months, I’m fine. I have six months of reserve. have, you know, 12 months open emergency fund or whatever it is. I can pay my bills.
The stock market will recover, dot-com bust it took 10 years for it to get back to even without you withdrawing any money. And if you withdrew any money at all, it took even longer.
Well, if you’re 70 years old and the dot-com bust happens, 10 years is a long time to go without withdrawing any money from your brokerage account. And I think a lot of people just don’t have that perspective, but that can happen again because they lived through it, but they weren’t investing through it.
They weren’t dependent on their portfolio through it. And that gives them this false sense of confidence that, that’s not going to happen to me. it’s something that you can’t understand until you’re in that position. And when you’re in that position, it’s too late.
Rena Sherbill: Is there something that you mostly hear from subscribers in a market like this? Are you getting a lot of questions? What do you, what’s mostly the feedback that you get from subscribers or what are the most asked questions?
Will Barton: The most asked questions inevitably take the format of given this news story and they’ll pull up some news story whether it’s about Iran or whether it’s about interest rates or you know, whatever the president tweeted this morning You know given this news story. How should this impact how we invest? that’s probably the most frequent question that I see and
sometimes people will give me little bit of pushback and resistance when I say it doesn’t matter. We’re not investing because of what we think the news cycle is going to be. I’m not buying something going, okay, well, I think interest rates are going to go up 50 basis points, so I’m gonna buy this.
No, I’m buying it because I think it’s cheap. If interest rates go up, maybe it gets cheaper. If they go down, it’s gonna go up. Eventually interest rates are gonna go down. I don’t know when.
I don’t need to predict when because I’m getting paid a dividend to sit there and collect money wventually things will go or will turn around. I mentioned the MLP earlier and when we underwrote that we said, okay are we happy with the distribution that they will pay if oil is $55 a barrel?
We said yes, we didn’t know oil was gonna go up to $100 a barrel when we bought that we have no clue. If I had to guess, obviously at some point in the future, I can predict that something’s going to happen somewhere in the world at some point and oil is going to go up to $100 a barrel.
I don’t think that’s a hard prediction to make. I had an economics professor who liked to say, it’s very easy to predict what will happen. It’s extremely hard to predict when it’s going to happen. And so we just position ourselves to be buying.
And we know that at some point in the future conditions will change. We know that at some point in the future oil will go up, interest rates will come down. And we position ourselves for those eventualities and we’re collecting dividends the whole time that we wait. And when they happen, then we’ll make that decision whether or not to sell.
Rena Sherbill: You mentioned REITs before, and I know that’s one of your main focuses at High Dividend Opportunities. What would you say about the real estate space right now and any other kind of points to highlight for investors when it comes to REITs?
Will Barton: Well, real estate is a very interesting investment right now because it is one of those that high interest rates are bad, right? In the real estate world, everybody borrows money. doesn’t matter how wealthy you are or how much cash you have on hand, you’re going to use leverage, you’re going to use mortgages, you’re going to leverage it because that’s how money is made in real estate. And it’s an asset that’s very easy to borrow against. And so…
When you have interest rates high like they are right now, we’ve seen a big pullback in commercial real estate of money moving in. People have been buying less. We’re starting to see some private equity start taking big stakes in real estate now, and that’s been kind of a tailwind for values.
they’re buying because the cap rates, the capitalization rates, is essentially how much money you’re getting from that real estate compared to how much you pay, are at 20 year highs. And so they’re buying low.
And then on the other hand, you have the factor that real estate is considered a relatively safe asset. It’s a hard asset that people like to buy when there’s instability. And so that kind of positions real estate right now to, see a big recovery through the combination of interest rates coming down and generalized fear about the economy. you know, and there will be moving from what’s
a very low price today, potentially go much higher in price. so real estate is one of those assets that we really like right now. The options for high yield in real estate are not what they used to be. There used to be a day back in the early 2000s, REITs were a fringe alternative investment that only crazy people invested in.
And it didn’t really get tracked a lot of attention. So you could get eight, nine, 10 % yields was the normal. Even today at today’s lower prices, you’re more in that three to 6 % range for most of them.
There’s a few pockets of opportunities where you have some, a little bit of distress, where there have been some real issues with tenants having trouble meeting their rent obligations and stuff. and so that creates lower prices and higher yields. I think those areas are potentially really good opportunities. Obviously you have to deal with the risk that the tenants could continue to see deterioration in their ability to pay the rents.
And so you got a little bit of risk to go with that reward right there. But the overall picture REITs are in a position to see some big improvements in valuation. You have Realty Income (O). That’s out there trading for 14, 15 times FFO. It’s rock solid, high quality REITs you can get. They shouldn’t be trading that cheap. They should be trading in the high teens, low twenties.
But especially when you compare them to the rest of the S &P 500 that is trading at those higher multiples, and it’s just dirt cheap right now. So definitely something that’s worth adding to.
It becomes a little bit of a struggle for us with our 8 to 10 % goal, because a lot of the REITs just aren’t paying those high dividends right now. But you definitely have some great dividend growth opportunities there. And if your portfolio is already high yielding and you can afford to hold some of those lower, you know, five, 6 % yielders.
There’s a lot to choose from in that ballpark.
Rena Sherbill: When you talk about the factors that you’re looking at in terms of how high the yield is and structures that prevent you from getting into things, are those absolute red lines that you adhere to? Are there any exceptions that you make to those rules?
Will Barton: We definitely do. Our goal is an average of 8 to 10 percent, right? So we want the whole entire portfolio to be averaging in that range. In the current environment, we’re able to have some very high yielders, which also then gives us room to go on the low end and hold some of the lower yielding companies that have some dividend growth.
Usually if we’re looking at something that’s below 7%, we want to have a growth component or an expectation that this is a company that will be able to gross dividend in the future. We don’t draw a hard line.
But we are always conscious of what is this doing to our overall portfolio yield? Because you know, that’s what that’s what we promise our members is that we’re going to find a way to keep our portfolio averaging in that eight to ten percent range and growing your income every year
And that’s, you know, in some environments is easier than others. Currently, there’s a lot of high yield options out there. And that’s made it a lot easier for us to take on some of the lower yielding picks and take advantage of being able to realize some capital gains and have some capital gains growth as well. In addition, you know, we go back to an environment like 2021, we were struggling to hold the seven to 8 % line, right? Because
The yields were just, everything was so expensive. And it was a very different interest rate environment. so, depending on the environment, depending on what the market gives us, we will take advantage of opportunities where we see them, but we’re going to remain very steadfast on averaging that 8 to 10 % through the portfolio as a whole.
Rena Sherbill: Last time you were on, which was at the end of February, you were talking about being interested in high yield preferreds. Anything to note there or any updates to make there? You were talking about AGN CZ in particular.
Will Barton: And we’re still kind of in that zone, right? Where preferreds have actually come down a little bit in price, yields have gone up a little bit.
We’ve talked a lot about (PFFA), Virtus InfraCap, and that’s a preferred ETF that really kind of mirrors our strategy in the preferred space.
They have a lot of overlap with our holdings and they invest in preferred on a leverage basis. So that’s an ETF that is kind of really a great place to start to get invested in the preferred right away and have exposure to a wide variety of them.
But preferreds have generally come down in price because they’re tied to that long-term yields. As the 10 to 30 year treasury yields go up, preferred prices will come down and we still see a great buying opportunity.
Our preferred portfolio, I think we have 48 prefers in our portfolio right now.
And so that remains a very large part of our overall strategy to provide us that fixed solid income that’s coming in every single quarter and is going to be more resistant in the event that the economy gets weakened.
So that’s definitely an area that we’re still continuing to focus on.
Rena Sherbill: And any other notes to make about the bond market? George Noble was on recently talking about the disarray that he sees in the bond market. Anything to note there or anything else to note there?
Will Barton: I think it’s a lot of people make mountains out of molehills in the bond market, especially when you start getting politics involved. People like to talk about the deficit. Every once in a while, you’ll see the stories start popping up about how, well, the treasury auctions are getting weak and it’s because people don’t have confidence in the US government or whatever.
And that’s one of those things that I think the fear plays well on TV. I don’t buy it. know, treasury bond options fail because interest rates are going higher and the people aren’t going to go bid on something when they believe the price is going to go down. So that’s, well we think the US government is going to default on their, on their bonds or we don’t have confidence in the U S government or anything like that.
It has nothing to do with that. It’s purely a transactional thing. and so I think a lot of people interpret the short-term trading that’s being done by institutions and hedge funds to try to squeeze a little bit of money out of bonds because it’s a zero risk asset, right? You can make a trade with bonds and if you mess up, well, it’s not, you’re not going to lose your shirt in the bond market.
And so I think a lot of people see, some movements that might not be expected or might be larger than expected. And they try to read way too deeply into it.
And ultimately at the end of the day, the U S government bonds are rock solid. If they go under, it doesn’t matter. Your brokerage is the U S dollar is failing. So guess what your brokerage is dominated in. It’s all U S dollars.
It’s one of those catastrophic things that it doesn’t matter. It’s like, okay, well, what if an alien comes and blows up the entire earth? Okay, then it doesn’t matter what you invested in, does it?
And it’s kind of one of those situations where I think it plays well on TV. It gets people worked up over things. Some people like to use it for political gain to, you know, attack the other side over the deficits or whatever.
But I don’t think there’s any sign that anybody is concerned about the US government’s ability to pay its debt. The US is still one of the top economies in the world. We’re going to remain that way for the foreseeable future and people are going to want to own US Treasury bonds.
And so I think a lot of that tends to get glazed over try to get attention, but at the end of the day, it’s one of the safest investments out there. the pricing movements are reactions to what people think treasury price bonds are going to do.
They’re trying to run ahead of it. They’re trying to get ahead of the curve. They’re trying to profit from it. They’re not voting on whether or not they think the US government is well-ran or poorly-ran or whatever, right?
They are just trying to make money and they’re trying to predict what people are going to do. people can be predictable sometimes and sometimes they can be very unpredictable.
Rena Sherbill: Yeah, I bet more alien questions coming our way given the news cycle too. I’d look out for those.
Will Barton: Yes, you need an ETF.
Rena Sherbill: I bet it’s not that far away. I can see the letters forming already.
What else would you encourage investors to be thinking about or not thinking about these days? Income investors in particular.
Will Barton: I think the biggest thing to think about is to have realistic expectations for the future.
The market has been doing very well. It’s been very strong and it becomes easy to just kind of assume that what’s happening is going to continue to happen. And I think it’s very important to take a look at your personal finances, and take a look at, this is what is in my portfolio.
Do I need to take money out of this portfolio? Am I going to need to take money out in the next five years? And, well, core inflation is going to exclude things like gas prices and food.
Gas prices in food when you’re retired are going to be very significant to how much money you need. They’re not optional expenses for you. So you want to make sure that you have some flexibility, both in your personal budget and in your portfolio. If you’re withdrawing money, especially, you want to make sure that you can withdraw money without being forced to sell stocks.
If you sell a share, you want it to be because you’ve made the affirmative decision that this investment is no longer good for me or this investment is too expensive. want to take profits, which is hopefully what’s happening.
You don’t want to be forced to sell because you have to pay your electric bill next month because that’s what will kill your portfolio very quickly. so I think investors kind of need to, it’s a great time to do an assessment.
How much money am I relying on my stock portfolio for? How much flexibility do I have in my personal budget? If things go up in price that I can, what expenses am I willing to get rid of? What expenses am I willing to, that I can’t or am unwilling to change?
And is my portfolio producing enough income so that if we see dividend cuts, if we see the economy collapse, am I still going to be okay?
Because if you reach that point where you can say, yeah, I not only answer is going to be okay, it’s going to be easy. you know, I’m not going to have to worry about my personal bills.
And when you can get to that point, that allows you to look at the stock market with a lot of clarity and be very calm about the swings that happen because you know, my bills are taken care of. All I have to worry about is what is the best decision right now for my investments and you’re making investment decisions based on your investments, not based on any external, you know, concerns or fears about being able to cover your home expenses.
And that’s kind of a really what the income method is designed to do to provide you that base so that you know, my bills are paid. Now that my bills are paid, now I can go into the market. Now I can look out there and decide to speculate.
When something crashes, I can say, well, we go buy a few shares of this and see if it recovers because I don’t have to worry about paying my bills next month. That’s taken care of. I can now just look at the companies, decide what companies I want to buy.
And I think that’s really where a lot of people, they get turned around in the market. They get focused on, well, I want to make the most of my money right now.
But if you can’t pay your bills, it doesn’t matter. If you owned Amazon in 2001 or 2002, it didn’t matter that Amazon was going to become one of the greatest investments in the next 20 years. Because if you had to sell it in 2001 or 2002, you didn’t realize that upside. If you had to pay a bill, you sold it to pay a bill. You don’t get to participate in the upside from now on.
I think our investment style isn’t contradictory to people who want to invest in those growth investments and try to get those, you know, those big huge wins and try to predict the next Nvidia (NVDA) or who want to participate in the SpaceX (SPACE) IPO and see if that’s going to blow up and to be the next big thing. It’s not contradictory to that.
It’s making sure your bills are paid so that you can take your excess and go out there and make those bets, invest in those companies and not have to worry, not be dependent on it to meet your personal financial needs.
Rena Sherbill: Appreciate the conversation, Will. It’s High Dividend Opportunities on Seeking Alpha. Any final words?
Will Barton: I also would like to put out a plug here. We have a new YouTube channel, it’s Income Method Investing.
And we are releasing videos on that for people who like the video format. And so that will also be available to members through our video on Seeking Alpha as well. That’s a new project. It’s a little bit of a different format for me. I’ve been used to being a writer, but we’re expanding into the video world as well now.
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